1984-0506-Peace-of-Mind-in-Spite-of-Success-Cleveland
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| Title | 1984-0506-Peace-of-Mind-in-Spite-of-Success-Cleveland |
| Recorded date | May 6, 1984 |
| Location | Cleveland, Ohio |
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| No. of MP3 files | 4 files + intro = 5 files |
| Total time | 3 min + 43 + 46 + 46 + 36 |
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Notes
Peace of mind and success without regret
Starts with joke about Art Mandel and reducing the size of the doors.
In Jaqua collection this is titled "undated-Cleveland" and files are "1 Rose - Cleveland - no date.mp3" etc.
Date conflict: Jake undated, Rob Ayers says 5/11/84, the rest are 5/6/84 == Inventory + PS, Gary,
However the RA tapes have typewriter labels.
These are the lecture series
1984-Peace-of-Mind-Success-Without-Regret-commercial-recording
1984-0418-Peace-of-Mind-in-Spite-of-Success-Oakland-PA Wednesday
1984-0426-Peace-of-Mind-in-Spite-of-Success-Irwin-PA Thursday
1984-0428-Peace-of-Mind-in-Spite-of-Success-Akron Saturday
1984-0502-Peace-of-Mind-in-Spite-of-Success-Columbus Wednesday
[Columbus a.k.a. "Happiness"]
1984-0506-Peace-of-Mind-in-Spite-of-Success-Cleveland * Sunday
1984-0511-Peace-of-Mind-Cleveland - RA date, typed label - Friday
- inventory says 5/6 not 5/11. May 6 is Sunday. May 11 is Friday.
Using PS version for times
45 minutes per side
File 1
Art was too modest to mention things I did for him. He lived in a house that had five foot doors, or four and a half foot, and he didn’t know what to do about it. So with a little magic I reduced him down to where he could get through them.
I’m going to ask you a question before we start, since time is valuable, for you, and for me too. There are two directions that we can always take. And one of them is mine which I cook up ahead of time, and the other one is yours. I would like to have a poll, having an informal to the point communication with you or a long endless talk which may relate to you or which may not. I would prefer to relate. Maybe we can get a show of hands. Would you like to spend the evening together answering questions, you ask the questions you wish, to bring out whatever you’re interested in, you name the direction and we’ll carry it from there, as opposed to me perhaps giving an hour which you may have difficulty relating to.
Q. You had mentioned having mystical experiences of your own. I’d be interested in learning more about that.
R. Ok let’s put up our hands if we’d like to follow a formal pattern or an informal pattern. Formal pattern. [hands].
Q. Can we begin formally and end informally?
R. Well, if I get started talking it might end informally at ten or eleven o’clock tonight.
The talk tonight is centered around peace of mind and success without regret. In other words, I don’t consider success [to be] success if we have regrets. Coupled with this, I think you can attain anything that you wish. And this is taking in a broad sweep, when you say that you can attain anything you wish to attain. I’m rather slow to encourage people to attain things that will cause them trouble later on. I think a lot of people have successes, or directions in life, which ...
So my personal life - I am not a millionaire and the older I get I’m very happy that I don’t have to look after that much wealth. It would be a burden and it is a burden I think to everybody if you have very much of it. That is, it becomes a burden rather than something you can use.
Carnegie down in Pittsburgh one time tried to give away something like five hundred million dollars and he said it was the hardest work he ever did. He had no people to leave it to and he literally every day – he had a crew of people trying to – he didn’t want to waste it so he put it in grants for high schools and libraries, and all over Pittsburgh and western Pennsylvania you’ll find Carnegie – what was it, you’ll find Carnegie University there. So this was an obsession of his, to get rid of the obsession. He had a second obsession to get rid of the first one.
3:54
So my point is basically, “What do you want?”
For instance, we got a diversified group of people here, because you’ve got all different things you want. Not that there’s any other great diversification except that everybody wants something different. Of course, that’s the difficulty in domestic living. The reason why we don’t have domestic harmony is because the people in the family want different things. Every year the divorce rates increase, and by the hundreds of thousands and the unmarried status is increasing in people because a lot of them have honestly come to the conclusion that they aren’t going to harmonize and they recognize the fact that they don’t want the same thing.
The whole thing behind functioning is to find people who dream the same dream. You can’t go into business with a man who doesn’t dream the same dream that you do. And this goes clear into philosophy. I apply what I learned in philosophy. All of the things that I apply what I learned from philosophy in any walk of life.
If you want to find something out in a philosophical context you go down to the library and find the proper word in the card catalogue. You find your fellows in whatever group you’re dealing with. And philosophy is the same way. Fellows in philosophy are few and far between.
Richard Bucke a few years ago wrote a book called cosmic consciousness and he estimated then that one in a million people would care to follow that direction. I’ve written a book have find the book and I think the book is rather pertinent to the subject and I tried to circulate it across the country and have given lectures from Boston to LA.
I’ve got a pretty good reaction as to how many books like that could sell. A publisher in New York told me that if I sold 500 in my lifetime, I’d be lucky. Because philosophy books don’t sell
This philosophy that I have come as a result of going to the point of tackling what I think is the hardest job on earth. And that is to get a concrete answer from an abstract direction.
We’re all looking for an answer. This all comes from a dissatisfaction of ourselves is a lack of knowledge of ourselves. It doesn’t do any good to accumulate 1 million dollars if you don’t understand yourself.
I give n example of great successes Take Richard Nixon. They were somehow successful but it didn’t pay off. It didn’t give them peace of mind.
The knowledge on a psychological level. The reason why I say knowledge on a psychological level is that we could attain a certain amount of success and after we get it we find that it interferes with that what we really want to do.
I maintain that this is a formula. If you want to succeed with whatever you want to so don’t start with a fiction. Start with the facts of yourself. And if you have to spend some time finding out who’s talking. Who’s looking at you from the mirror, I think it pays to spend that time.
Because what happens is we have a concatenation of dreams and accomplishments. We go from one raise in pay to another raise in pay to maybe the vice president of a company. You can be caught in a squirrel cage. So when a fellow finds out that he doesn’t want to be where he’s at much less promoted any further.
There are little alarm clocks that you can listen to occasionally. The alarm clocks only rings between the period of time between dawn and daylight. And when you wake up in the morning and you listen to yourself you’ll see that there is a tremendous appraisal at that time because you’re coming in from zero. Your computer’s been asleep. When you wake up your going to get a clear reading. And you get so clear of a reading that you get two shots of whiskey to get out the door.
Top get away from it. So you could go out and get into this farce that you started 20 years ago. When you made your first mortgage commitment. So this is the direction we were supposed to go in tonight.
Now, I want you to pick it up from there and put me in your direction.
Q: Can you describe how you found yourself?
A: Yes but I think it would be a waste of time because I don’t know how you can apply it to yourself. I was 21 year of age when I made a total commitment to put everything else aside and discover who I was. I started in college and majored in chemistry. I had this egotistical idea that I was going to get into the analyzation of matter and just break down the matter to a force field into who knows what. And out of that would pop out something that would be God.
And then I say, hey, where do you live? I started off in Baltimore as a chemist. I saw that there were hundreds of years. Before you can start with the analyzation of matter. And I thought that you could make it in this lifetime.
It had no meaning if you were just a fragment of a ladder that goes on to a site in the clouds. I had read some theology when I was younger about the opportunities that a man might have to discover God or find his nature. God is a bad word because god is us. It is when you find it.
Thomas Aquinas was a great theologian, and he came up with this idea that to prove the existence of the soul to prove the existence of God. And it turned out to be a total fallacy because it was written in Latin and had to be translated and they wouldn’t translate it for centuries. The fallacy was that the universe is in motion; ergo there must be a mover. Whatever is moving the universe must be superior to us and must be God. When we finally get a clear look at it. You find out that the universe isn’t moving. Nothing is moving. Our consciousness creates the illusion of movement.
So consequently what you encounter is a tremendous illusion. And it’s difficult to pick up. You pick up the illusion.
There’s a book back there by JJ van der Leeuw. it’s called the Conquest of Illusion and it’s one of the most valuable books back there, And this man demonstrates When I read it I said that I don’t need to write anything This man said it all. He had the ability to show how the universe, the things that we see are illusions.
So consequently Thomas Aquinas encountered the concept of illusions. The Hindus knew this 1000 years before we came across it. I read that a few years before an it didn’t mean a thing to me. But after I had my experience I knew what they were talking about by Maya.
The other thing that was pertinent in this theology was that the finite mind would never perceive the infinite. We have a minuscule mind and there’s a mammoth project out there. Trying to understand something with a peanut mentality. When the mentality that has the blueprint drawn is monumental.
But it dawned on me that there had been people that said they knew the answer down through the ages. If no one had ever received any information, then I’d say let’s not go any farther. But we had figures like Christ that claims that he had contact, that he found an immortal existence Buddha and I’d say quite a few others.
Bucke has a whole book full of them in fact. People had convincing experiences I though let’s get back to the drawing board and find out how these fellows did it.
Along with that I had realized that you’re not going to do it by analytical thinking. You’re going to have to become it. And this is the big problem.
And the nest thing is how you become. I came back after I had reached the point of understanding I went back to read the Bible and Christ said to someone that I’m the way, the truth and the way. And he didn’t say that know the truth or I have the truth, he said that I am the truth, you either are it or you’re nothing.
So with this in mind I started looking around and started to find people who that gave evidence of having acquired it. Then you try to find literature. Find a little code book that says how do I find do I come about this?
It wasn‘t until I was 30 and I happened to go out to Seattle with the purpose of getting married and that didn’t work either. I went out and get a job as a waiter and I’d go home every evening and sit down in my bed and do my breathing exercises and think.
But this particular time I got a pain on the top of my head. I said that this won’t let up. It got so bad that tears were running down my face. The next thing I notice is that I went out the window. And I can see the people on the street. And by this time the pain’s gone because I’m removed from it. And I was headed for the Cascade Mountains. I went up so high that the city disappeared. And I realized that I was watching mankind from below. And it occurred to me that I was watching them.
So I looked down to see if I knew anybody and I saw myself. And this shook me up because it dichotomized me. Then I realized that the fellow down there wasn’t alive. He was like a paper robot. The only thing that was alive was the observer.
The little clue in your thinking, the view is not the viewer. The viewer is the man that sees it and if you ever happen to see yourself. Always the one that you’re conscious of watching is not you. Later it turns to my vision of what was up ahead. It was a very solitary place that I was in.
I faced oblivion and what was beyond oblivion was awareness.
But the awareness was still there. And this is when I realized that that was indestructible could understand oblivion and unit with it and still be eternal .
coming back was a very dismal, very unpleasant time getting back.
Cleveland
West Virginia
felt like an alien
suicidal urges
what merges on superstition perhaps.
One of the things that I think what happens is. When I was in my twenties to 30 and I wasn’t idle. I went back and forth across the country looking at all these movements.
for a dollar or two, maybe a hundred
I found that not any I would consider authentic. And honest really tiring to help anybody.
They were just hucksters. Two things that they were merchandising, sex and money .
I swore that if I ever found anything solid I’d make it available.
Three years later I got married, I raised a family.
Because the possibility of every meeting a crowd as large as this, the time is now and it’s slipping away. These groups will get smaller.
In the 50’s if you would start talking about yoga, you lost friend, you lost business contacts.
They want to get someone who was sane to work for them. So you would keep your mouth shut and went your way.
I wasn’t married a year or two until I started meeting with groups in the area. Like Akron and Steubenville Ohio, there was an older group that fell apart and we got them back together. But the people that were in those groups never stopped looking.
side 1, minute 30
When I came back I landed in Cleveland and I’ll never forget how strange Cleveland was to me. I got a room in a fleabag hotel. There were some old men sitting around in the lobby and they had a radio on. It was a ballgame. I was amazed that 60 year old men the only thing they were interested in was a baseball game. They wouldn’t even stop until the inning was over.
Another day I went out for a walk. And people were coming 4 and 5 abreast. And none of them were talking. They were very silent and determined and I thought there had been a tremendous catastrophe here because these people were grim. Maybe they’re trying to get out of town. So I stopped one of them and asked them what happened. And he looked at me like I was crazy and he said nothing. And I stopped another and asked where everybody is going. He said to the ballgame.
To me these little thing were just incomprehensible. I just couldn’t understand how that mass of people could spend that mass of energy to go to a ballgame. You realize what’s the percentage of people who were just interested in ballgames. There were thousands. Unless I had a motive for living I don’t think I would care to live.
Q: Where did you make your jump from psychological to direct-mind? How did that come about?
A: What do you mean?
Q: Looking at thing analytically then seeing things more directly?
A: I don’t know if I’ going to answer you to what you asked me, but it brings me to something of interest.
What happens is sitting in yoga exercises and meditation, most of that doesn’t do you a bit of good. But if you continue to follow a path of some kind of introspection.
Now how do you do introspection? You have to get something to make yourself think. There are a number of things that you can do. You can have a room that you meditate in.
I did all my meditating walking. I can’t sit still. If I do I’ll go to sleep. So I’d get out and I’d walk.
I did contract work when I was younger and I’d get up on the ladder working and I’d be thinking. Because I had a monotonous job, I could do it without thinking.
I’ve got a little paper there about meditation. It will give you the details of this. The correct way to meditate is to look back on your traumas, not look forward into bliss. Bliss gets you nowhere.
booze
dope
I was interested in a lot of current literature in 1950 there was no books on the news stand. I would come up to here in Cleveland and there were a group of fellows and we would talk and there were people there were interested in Brunton.
Paul Brunton was a tremendous man of stature in the esoteric field. And he was able to lead the mind in.
It keeps your mind on it. If a kid wants to go to college, he goes home and he has books. The teacher torture’s him with lessons. So he goes in and forces himself to think. In the esoteric field there are no lessons to take. If anybody gives you lessons, believe me that will lead you into careless thinking, non-pointed thinking. But if you got something that will inspire you,
just like going to church on Sunday
do a half hour every day. Then you will get interested.
You will get into the retreat from garbage. You find that one time you thought was hot stuff, 10 years later you will discard it. And you will see something that’s better stuff. And 10 years later you’ll discard that.
hopefully you’ll have enough decades left
I found that it didn’t matter what I was reading. I could be working math problems. I could be reading books on physics. I could read Madame Blavatsky which I thought was very inspiring.
Secret Doctrine
They were encyclopedias of data. Her we read of wondrous and miraculous things that people don’t think about.
Charles Forte
When you get to reading this stuff you realize that 99% of the people never bother to find the real mysteries of life that have never been solved.
If you get to the final analysis when you get to this point, you will find that these aren’t mysteries longer. Because everything that you can conceive of could come to pass. For instance in Blavatsky she talks about vril. Bulwer Lytton This is the ability to break stone with your mind. Or with some mental operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bulwer-Lytton
I don’t doubt this for a minute and I’ll explain to you how this type of magic occurs. They say the reason they conceived this because in ancient times they were dealing with stones that they couldn’t handle. They great stones of the pyramid for example. If you ever been there for example the stone of block, the cement between the blocks for example, I’d say that they’re about 6 to 8 feet square. The cement is 1/8 of an inch thick and it looks like dentist cement. It has no grains of sand in it that I can see.
And this stuff has been there for thousands of years. OK how did they do it? It’s easy to say magic. But what I’m saying that it’s possible that people can do stuff with their mind.
But what is the mechanism? What is the formula? The formula is that the world is basically illusion. The real mind is anterior. The creative mind is anterior.
So that the inner mind is holding. So if the inner mind if it’s able to hold, a blueprint upon this transitory mind, or relative vacillating illusory type mentality, it can create any image it wants.
Side 1 at min 39
And I had some things happen to me in my lifetime that convinced me that you can do some amazing things. I never tried cracking stones or anything like that. I think you have to have good reason for doing it. You would have to have a tremendous urge for doing it.
But you can see that on a smaller basis.
The other thing is I could lecture on hypnosis.
I don’t care to lecture on hypnosis
The reason I do lecture on it is to show that man is a zombie, we react. We are strictly reactors.
And if a person can see that, this is one of the steps to being a viable creature, something that moves on its own.
We do not move on our own until we become self-centered. Capital S self centered and we abolish small s self centered.
What we are, are relative creatures, everything has to be black or white. And the mind cannot be creative until it stops. And at the point when it’s stopping is the point when it suddenly becomes creative. Something becomes receptive to an infinite amount of wisdom.
Incidentally, if you’re interested, this is the point of transmission. You will not read this in many books. I haven’t written it myself. Transmission is causing a person to become enlightened just by contact, mental contact. Physical contact doesn’t mean a thing. It’s brought about by bringing the two minds into one.
in the final thing, we are all one
the first thing you think you are is …
[tape break]
File 1 ends at about min 42
File 2
00:00
but then you realize that everybody has that same ability and is the same as you are
from that other dimension, this one is emanated
our mundane mind is somatic
take that step away from being reactive
miracles
before newspapers
The mechanism is what I call betweenness.
should be translated
invoke a sense of awe
what we need is anger nd determination
but having reached it, you want nothing
Platonic cave
the real people are on the outside
there was the house that we left
you can heal people this way; I call it direct-mind.
had a girl playing a broom
and she was conscious
so you test them
have them elevate one arm
none of these people went through any hypnotic techniques; I pointed at them and they hit the floor
real demonstration of betweenness
holding your head off
“Not that I want, but that I want.”
make up your mind ahead of time
you want the thing to happen
“Oh, let’s see what happens.”
Side 2 min 6
And all of this was that a mood was created, that everyone fell into
the mind stops
either accident or years of trauma
one of the greatest evils of today
everyone approaches that
Catholics advertizing on billboard
“I had a string of nightclubs in Ohio”
had gambling joint
prayed to God
“My life has got meaning now.”
there’s a tremendous lot you can achieve with that
always something bigger up ahead
side 2 min 9
Q. (Gordon?)
R. No, I don’t agree with either one
anything was better than what he was
retreating from error
Q. Some kind of evil that keeps people from seeing?
R. Never believed in evil
It’s very possible that bringing a child into the world vs killing an old man with cancer
all the things are educational
they are hard to take
If I had found a girlfriend, that would have been the end of the trip
that wasn’t evil, it was educational
even those people are not evil; they serve
these churches all have value
one of the great theological points, that there is evil
not true
Transmission Paper
kundalini
and with that you can elevate the abilities of the mind
you can heal with them, in fact
the world is very possible a perfect place to live
our concept is error
min 15 –
I was a hippie with no drugs
Q. After a period of trauma the head will stop. If your relatives find you in that condition, send you to the hospital and fill you full of drugs
R. story about boy at Brown, Stelazine
doing a tremendous amount of damage
Q. genuine spiritual experience, bring them out of it – fear or no idea of what’s going on
R. They have no idea
min 18
Q. killing the mind
Krishnamurti
R. I always thought Krishnamurti was an enlightened man
he has a knack of bringing things into common, ordinary language
tremendous margin of erroneous thinking
van der Leeuw was a student of Krishnamurti’s
gave more of a system
“Start here. Do this. Conduct your life in this manner.”
what’s reality is behind it
only a few minds will listen
he just says, “Keep looking.”
certain laws, that you can expedite things
Contractor’s Law
increment by hiring men
500 bricks in a day
hire 1100 bricks a day
the same thing applies in this thing
it can be a solitary path
books will be a helper
as an individual you have only one lifetime
here’sa a shortcut
in Cuyahoga Falls we had a little group; when I came back from Seattle
Radha Soami
Subud
all this stuff was on the table
we were taking ten people’s lives
available to all ten
an expeditor
min 25
Q. difficulty with words – evil not really existing?
R. the human mind in its greatest fuction is triangulation
Over here is A, over here we have B
good-evil
from a compensatory point we get a view of both
only seen from up above
this is the same
in all philosophy
evidence of the paradox
two points of observation
have to triabgulate to see
protoplasm feels pain or joy
our religions – feelgood
people hugging each other
Pollyannic perpetual motion
“enlightenment not more than relief. When you lift the burden the jackass is happy.”
min 29
Q. evil
R. One of the great evils – trading words
smooth over everything, create a utopia by ignoring
“exceptional children”
Is that going to stop the kid from being retarded?
this leads us away from the truth
my wife is a nurse
harvest organs, while he’s still alive
Phoenix, Arizona
clinically he’s dead
but they don’t know; they decide
we’d like your permission to use his eyeballs
heart still beating
shave off the pubic hair, got an erection
She says, “That boy’s alive and conscious.”
Moody, Kübler-Ross.
October 1974 Readers Digest
he mad the doctors out a liar
no one in that hospital had the courage to stop them
we don’t have things defined properly
ashamed to admit they don’t know
abolished the inner man
“Oh, that’s a hallucination”
more and more coming around
min 36
R. Did I stray too far
Q. … people are vegetables
R. What it boils down is what is decency
in Texas a boy laid in a coma for 8 or 9 years
you have to build a sense that knows what that person is thinking
I think this can be done
just gave a lecture in Columbus
broke her neck. She has only one muscle that moves
above her bed she has the alphabet
by being with her every day, they know what she wants
this has been going on for ten years
I don’t know what you do
it as to be the family
my mother: “What an awful way to live.”
hope springs eternal;but not for an 80 year old woman
part of the suffering
brutal, heartless way they cut up the body
break this guy into parts
min 4
Q. This week on television, paraplegics and quadriplegics
R. Well there’s another possibility. message shunted around
I’ve been around autistic children
I consider them superior
the child has a simple, clear mind
we get in into relative thinking
learns very quickly
stops it from its direct-mind thinking
six months the baby is born, hangs in two dimensions
tremendously pointed relative thinking: “No!”
they can’t get a job if they grow up as autistic individuals
we’ve got to keep the kid out of prison
has to grow up with our values
no value
ride with the herd, that’s all
I don’t have any authority and I don’t have the time to get …
[break in tape]
Side 2 ends at 44:49
