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Title 1987-0607-Chautauqua-WV
Recorded date June 7, 1987
Location Farm
Number of tapes unknown - probably 1 cassette, 90 minutes
Other recorders audible? No
Alternate versions exist? Hopefully, need to survey
Source A. Monge
No. of MP3 files 2 files, first is 49 min, second is only 15 minutes and tape is jamming
Total time
Transcription status First 7 minutes only -- SH Jan 2014
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Published on which website?
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Notes

From Augie Monge May 12, 2012 – file 1 is okay. File 2 is bad, probably cassette broken. But if it’s side 1 and side 2 of the cassette, why did side 1 record ok and side 2 not?

Check with E.G. for a better tape.

Lots of birds singing so it must be in the Chautauqua building.

Email and files from Augie Monge 5/15/2012 I'll send the audio files from my aborted attempt to digitize the 1987 tapes. Augie File names are June-1987_Chataqua_Side-1.mp3 June-1987_Chataqua_Side-2_Garbled.mp3

File 1

total time 49:04

00:00

... seen this woman carrying these satchels. And I say to Art, “She looks like she’s suffering, lugging those big satchels, so let’s stop and pick her up.” We put stocks? [thought] from behind, the shape and everything and the posture that it was female, but it was a man. So we stopped and said, “Where are you going?” “Um, wherever you’re going.” “North?” “Yes, that’s alright.” “Going outside of Florida?” “Um, whatever.”

00:37

So I thought, you know, this guy’s sick, he’s dying or something. So then it dawned on me about fifty miles up the road, this guy’s carrying his, he’s like a woman, carrying his equipment with him, you know, his sanitation equipment. And he’s out there on the road hitchhiking and he presumes everybody knows, and we’re stupid, we don’t know what he is. [laughs]


So I says, “We’re only going as far as Jacksonville.” So we dumped him, or her. He was willing to go anyplace. [laughs] You know, I’ve got a lot of intuition but there’s a lot of stuff, my intuition just don’t do me a damn bit of good. “Whatever.” I said, “You going to Arizona?” Finally he said something about Chicago. I said, “Well, we’re not going to Chicago. He wasn’t going anyplace.

01:49

This is a book – I’ve had books around for quite a few years. I read them quite a few years ago and they didn’t make any sense. And I thought sometimes that a lot of Hindu writings – it’s too, it’s like Thomas Merton’s stuff, a little bit syrupy and too much devotionalism in it and not enough hard logic.

02:23

Thanks a million. [somebody brings eyeglasses?]

Q. Sure.

R. Oh, you got the ones that weren’t broken.

Q. It’s ?? season for that.

R. Yeah. Some of this I can read, without them.

02:46

R. This is the Isa Upanishad. I’ve run into books that have the Upanishads in them, but this book here is dated, this is a first edition, 1938, Himalayas of the Soul. No author, but an editorial note by L. Cranmer-Byng and Alan Watts. Figure how old Alan Watts was in 1938. I think that’s ?? came from England, it’s from 50 Albemarle Street, London. Translated by J. Mascaro, MA Contab, [?] reader of English at Barcelona University, with a preface by Sri. S. Radhakrishnan. And there’s a dedication to Mrs. M. McKensey, a professor of education at University of Cardiff, gratitude in eternity, A.I.E. – I don’t know what that means. But I was really surprised at the, to find Alan Watts counting himself in on something like this.

03:59

But anyhow, the thing is that – I got the feeling, you know, you read a lot of religious literature, poetry and this, it’s supposed to be mood-provoking rather than information-giving. And so I wanted to read this and see what you pick up about it.

Behold the universe in the glory of God, and all that lives and moves on earth. Leaving the transient, set joy in the eternal. Set not your heart on another’s possession. Working thus, a man may wish for a life of a hundred years. Only actions are? done in God and not the soul of man.

There are demon haunted worlds, regions of utter darkness. Whoever in life neglects the spirit goes to that darkness after death. The spirit without moving is swifter than the mind. The senses cannot reach him, he is ever beyond them. Standing still he overtakes those that run.

To the ocean of being, the spirit of life leads the streams of action. He moves and he moves not. He is far, he is near. He is within all, he is outside of all.

05:17

Now I’m not going to read this whole book, but I picked out cartain things.

When the sage sees this great Unity, and his Self has become all beings ...

He capitalizes S. Where somewhere I must have read this years ago, and that got me into the habit of writing capital-s Self, to distinguish between the carnal mechanism and the glandular stimulation of their thinking.

05:24

When the sage sees this great Unity, and his Self has become all beings, what delusion and what sorrow can ever be near him?

But of course, what he didn’t say also is, “What delusion and what happiness can ever be near him?”

06:18

Into deep darkness fall those who follow action; into deeper darkness fall those who follow knowledge. One is the outcome of knowledge, the other is the outcome of action. Thus have we heard from the ancient sages who explained the truth to us.

06:42

Now number one, I’m going to break this down. Into deep darkness [fall those who] follow action, into deeper darkness fall those who follow knowledge. And one is the outcome of knowledge and the other is the outcome of action.

07:06

Into deep darkness fall those who follow the imminent, into deeper darkness fall those who follow the transcendent.

Now this hit a kind of a snag. I don’t want to ask [you] any questions about it, because it puzzled me. You know there’s – in fundamentalistic theology they talk about the school of imminance and the school of er transcendence, or meaning, the belief that God is within and the belief that God is without. The belief that God is within us, and the other one is the belief that God is without us, and that we have to go find him. Physically and spiritually, ‘cause ...

07:56




File 2

Total time = 15 minutes until it jams for good


Footnotes

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