1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU
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| Title | 1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU |
| Recorded date | April 18, 1979 |
| Location | OSU, Columbus, Ohio |
| Number of tapes | 2 @ 60 |
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| Source | DM has 2 hours. BM version is partial |
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| Link to PDF | http://distribution.direct-mind.org/ Or try http://selfdefinition.org/rose/ |
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| Remarks | VERY FAMILIAR, WAS THIS DONE ALREADY? |
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| URL at direct-mind.org | https://www.direct-mind.org/index.php/1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU |
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| Revision timestamp | 20150104003827 |
Notes
have versions from: MJ, DM, BM, GH
times are from Bart’s version, first hour only
File 0, Intro
Total time: 1 min 8 seconds
Intro by Art Ticknor
Does not start at beginning
Topic is “Direct Mind approach to the Absolute”
If you’re searching for meaning
is there part of me that survives death
the bad news is that he can’t tell us those answers directly can’t be put into words
point a way, find our direction for ourselves
turn the talk over to Mr. Rose.
File 1
Total time: 28:41
00:00
Well, the last couple of times had a prepared talk, Psychology of the Observer
90% of people don’t pick it up
psychology in relation to Zen
modern psychological systems going in the opposite direction
trying to build a mental world of tomorrow
diagram here, schematic
Hubert Benoit psychologist who got interested in Zen
we live in a sort of trough between the positive and the negative
the human mind never has direct knowledge
In India years ago or In Tibet yogis studied a certain planed just by meditating on it
unless they had some sort of tirect mind
As soon as we start talking about Zen we get a split in the audience
04:00
you’re branching off from the field
each person has his own definition
people have preconceptions
90% who are sincere, it’s a devotional
direct-mind possibly 1 hundredth
it’s easier to believe than to question
05:55
I was out on the West Coast giving lectures a couple of months ago
ascended masters, Claire Prophet
I was rather stupefied that she could attract thousands
Tolkien’s books
a lot of boys, quite an obsession, gnomes and elves
give people miracles and they’ll believe them, even though they don’t exist
doctors, lawyers, businessmen, millionaires
there’s only a small percentage of people who realize they don’t know nything
admonition, “First know thyself.”
09:01
some people realize rather young, change their projection
chameleon
sometime you’re going to have to face yourself
the other one of course get sick
strangle on your own tongue, get your leg wrapped around your neck and perish
studied to be a priest
10:35
the younger the better the softer the head
got into everything that had promise
point of reference
we have no choice, we have to function from a point of reference
11:30
got into spiritualism
genuine materialization a few miles north of here White Lilly Chapel
medium Aldred is now dead
no evidence of an entity giving the straight dope
13:05
to me it wasn’t sufficient
walling in this relative dimension
libertarianism and determination
will or fated
can pile up evidence and argument on both
14:00
limitations of the relative mind
also or computer
Thomas Aquinas
this is a little slogan that goes down through the Catholic Church whenever you get a rebel
I came to the conclusion that there were people who knew
answered for all time the question of birth and death
pile of books
Ramana Maharshi Brunton Krishnamurti
16:05
I decided to find out how they found it
man does not learn, he becomes
we don’t have any respect for that which is our parental religion
Bible was something to be interpreted
he said I am the truth, the way and the live
thought it was a mistranslarion
find the quickest way of becoming
yoga, hatha first
raja yoga, the yoga of the mind
18:00
parts of yoga tangential
TM puts you to sleep
you’ve got to be a fighter
the word was OM
Krishnas chanting. As long as you’re chanting you can’t think
this isn’t an answer, it’s deliverance
I dropped a bunch
I never got anyplace with raja yoga
kept it up
followed the rules
didn’t smoke cigarettes
very few restaurants would serve you vegetables
also was celibate for seven years
fools rip find a woman
strangely enough they wouldn’t have me, so I was ssaved
21:0
back to the drawing board
thinking I was the biggest fool on earth
snake with its tail in its mouth
when I was 32 years of age something snapped in my head [still 32 in 1979]
I visited a dimension I couldn’t describe
neither right nor left
came back and within a year’s time married
AA saying, never can remember it exactly
carry a card in your wallet
we are not omnipotent
23:50
magical powers, see through our neighbor’s lifestyle
all worked out
people who struggle are the people who struggle
just don’t go anyplace
the struggle is necessary
powers that I needed to get even with my enemies
25:19
I think this is about as far as I can go
run through something
will then communicate with you
DIAGRAM
Hubert Benoit, first guy to draw the triangle
without the conciliatory principle we wouldn’t act
whether you take the elevator or take the steps
blue shirt or a white shirt
choose booze or dope, sex or food
Umpire makes the decision
fickle character
survival of his species
Ron Hubbard quite a huckster
man throw himself on a hand grenade
strictly a somatic, human species type of behavior
28:33
after we observe this
Psychology of the Observer
long before Skinner loused it up.
file 1 ends at 28:41
File 2
00:00
[long blank space at start of side 2]
… knowledge, another form of apprehension of things
you might say that intuition is a silent computerization
millions of things recorded
should we eat or go hungry
retreat or throw ourselves on a hand grenade
in the business of trying to verbalize things you have to use words
head explodes
scheme of things going on the human mind
we are not two people, the observed and the observer. We asre only the observer
then the observer becomes more impersonal
process observer
how much the ramifications exist
you and the unmanifested mind experience each other
the conciliatory place is the absolute
can’t give you a formula how much energy it takes to do that
gestalts, whole philosophies
never completely rise above the process observer
pure mind realization of awareness
awareness of awareness
see these things happening
brings you to an absolute point of realization
05:00
Now I’d like to talk to you
if no questions, might as well all get a can of pop
poets who have written poetry who would inspire a person to look inside himself Omar Khayyam
the same door wherein I went
turned down an empty glass
drink your wine and what’s left is an empty glass; because it doesn’t matter
I don’t believe that all art is aimed in that direct
some art is an outburst of the ego
08:30
unless you know who’s enjoying
the human race has a paradigm
color green
the whole vision of live is a paradigm
Congressman looks dignified, draws respect
I don’t buy pleasure or pain
by the same toke that this is a head trip
half-Indian woman from West Virginia
romance the love affair is projected in
had not by the other person, but by nature
energy
province of the young, that there is something as pleasure or happiness
if not a lecher
rapture about this thing called life
12:00
I think that the human computer, the the capacity for solving a lot more than what he solves
refuse to feed the computer with
dozens to hundred problems at once
don’t forget to take the garbage out
shut yourself down
when you try to do it all hell breaks loose
the mind would cook these up rapidly
the number of transistors we’ve got in there will solve more
all the data is in there
get tangled up in logical thinking
forget about it
14:30
When I did my thinking was long before they discovered the alpha and beta waves
drugs – paralyzing the other centers
nothing comes out of it
LSD caused them to look into esoteric philosophy
like letting the water out f the balloon
16:00
I try to simplify
Ramana Maharshi
knowledge of the absolute
Our heads work just as well with English words
What is seeing? The process observer
in conflict with the intuitive mind
if you’re hungry you think of an apple
somatic mind might belabor itself with syllogisms
the view is not the view
the body is not us
cut your toes off, fingers off
paralyzed from the neck down
sometimes the head is out but the body is still working
watch yourself watching, so to speak
that is meditation
if you want to know yourself, watch ourself
traumatic meditation
20:00
don’t try to relive it
and maybe you’re getting your nose punched
perspective without the heat
then you can work your way up
yesterday you pulled the same thing
start to change
if you see the evidence, you have to change
now we’re observing the change
we’re watching a process. process observer
aware of the processes of the intuitive mind
in religion sometimes they call it a conscience
step to the left or the right
motive, then you’ve colored the discovery
the whole motive is to find out
curiosity about the self
Q. [Strong Aussie accent] how can you rationalize
23:50
R. You’re a little difficult to understand
each man is a ray
each ray observes
capacity limitation
by some accident it becomes aware of its source
I don’t know why God is, or the absolute is.
It’s just its structure
Q. Do you have to have a set of symbols?
R. No
sounds like a co game coming up
I was 32 and I was 10 years taking notes
between the electrons, between the raindrops
all you have to do is go inside yourself, and the hell with what I say
if you put enough energy into it you’ll get results
maybe I can say something
don’t believe in umbrella-type systems
everybody has different factors
John of the Cross that’s a darn good book
28: You don’t even reach it you won’t know until you’ve passed it can’t use it to look up ahead
everybody comes in from a different angle my response will somehow kick a trigger
I would suggest you get that paper
traumatic meditation
you had been rebuffed
most of your traumas have to do with running up against your fellowman, don’t have much to do with your essence
File 3
File 4
Footnotes
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