1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU
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| Title | 1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU |
| Recorded date | April 18, 1979 |
| Location | OSU, Columbus, Ohio |
| Number of tapes | 2 @ 60 |
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| Source | DM has 2 hours. BM version is partial |
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| Remarks | VERY FAMILIAR, WAS THIS DONE ALREADY? |
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| URL at direct-mind.org | https://www.direct-mind.org/index.php/1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU |
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Notes
have versions from: MJ, DM, BM, GH
times are from Bart’s version.
File 0, Intro
Total time: 1 min 8 seconds
Intro by Art Ticknor
Does not start at beginning
Topic is “Direct Mind approach to the Absolute”
If you’re searching for meaning
is there part of me that survives death
the bad news is that he can’t tell us those answers directly can’t be put into words
point a way, find our direction for ourselves
turn the talk over to Mr. Rose.
File 1
Total time: 28:41
00:00
Well, the last couple of times had a prepared talk, Psychology of the Observer
90% of people don’t pick it up
psychology in relation to Zen
modern psychological systems going in the opposite direction
trying to build a mental world of tomorrow
diagram here, schematic
Hubert Benoit psychologist who got interested in Zen
we live in a sort of trough between the positive and the negative
the human mind never has direct knowledge
In India years ago or In Tibet yogis studied a certain planed just by meditating on it
unless they had some sort of tirect mind
As soon as we start talking about Zen we get a split in the audience
04:00
you’re branching off from the field
each person has his own definition
people have preconceptions
90% who are sincere, it’s a devotional
direct-mind possibly 1 hundredth
it’s easier to believe than to question
05:55
I was out on the West Coast giving lectures a couple of months ago
ascended masters, Claire Prophet
I was rather stupefied that she could attract thousands
Tolkien’s books
a lot of boys, quite an obsession, gnomes and elves
give people miracles and they’ll believe them, even though they don’t exist
doctors, lawyers, businessmen, millionaires
there’s only a small percentage of people who realize they don’t know nything
admonition, “First know thyself.”
09:01
some people realize rather young, change their projection
chameleon
sometime you’re going to have to face yourself
the other one of course get sick
strangle on your own tongue, get your leg wrapped around your neck and perish
studied to be a priest
10:35
the younger the better the softer the head
got into everything that had promise
point of reference
we have no choice, we have to function from a point of reference
11:30
got into spiritualism
genuine materialization a few miles north of here White Lilly Chapel
medium Aldred is now dead
no evidence of an entity giving the straight dope
13:05
to me it wasn’t sufficient
walling in this relative dimension
libertarianism and determination
will or fated
can pile up evidence and argument on both
14:00
limitations of the relative mind
also or computer
Thomas Aquinas
this is a little slogan that goes down through the Catholic Church whenever you get a rebel
I came to the conclusion that there were people who knew
answered for all time the question of birth and death
pile of books
Ramana Maharshi Brunton Krishnamurti
16:05
I decided to find out how they found it
man does not learn, he becomes
we don’t have any respect for that which is our parental religion
Bible was something to be interpreted
he said I am the truth, the way and the live
thought it was a mistranslarion
find the quickest way of becoming
yoga, hatha first
raja yoga, the yoga of the mind
18:00
parts of yoga tangential
TM puts you to sleep
you’ve got to be a fighter
the word was OM
Krishnas chanting. As long as you’re chanting you can’t think
this isn’t an answer, it’s deliverance
I dropped a bunch
I never got anyplace with raja yoga
kept it up
followed the rules
didn’t smoke cigarettes
very few restaurants would serve you vegetables
also was celibate for seven years
fools rip find a woman
strangely enough they wouldn’t have me, so I was ssaved
21:0
back to the drawing board
thinking I was the biggest fool on earth
snake with its tail in its mouth
when I was 32 years of age something snapped in my head [still 32 in 1979]
I visited a dimension I couldn’t describe
neither right nor left
came back and within a year’s time married
AA saying, never can remember it exactly
carry a card in your wallet
we are not omnipotent
23:50
magical powers, see through our neighbor’s lifestyle
all worked out
people who struggle are the people who struggle
just don’t go anyplace
the struggle is necessary
powers that I needed to get even with my enemies
25:19
I think this is about as far as I can go
run through something
will then communicate with you
DIAGRAM
Hubert Benoit, first guy to draw the triangle
without the conciliatory principle we wouldn’t act
whether you take the elevator or take the steps
blue shirt or a white shirt
choose booze or dope, sex or food
Umpire makes the decision
fickle character
survival of his species
Ron Hubbard quite a huckster
man throw himself on a hand grenade
strictly a somatic, human species type of behavior
28:33
after we observe this
Psychology of the Observer
long before Skinner loused it up.
file 1 ends at 28:41
File 2
00:00
[long blank space at start of side 2]
… knowledge, another form of apprehension of things
you might say that intuition is a silent computerization
millions of things recorded
should we eat or go hungry
retreat or throw ourselves on a hand grenade
in the business of trying to verbalize things you have to use words
head explodes
scheme of things going on the human mind
we are not two people, the observed and the observer. We asre only the observer
then the observer becomes more impersonal
process observer
how much the ramifications exist
you and the unmanifested mind experience each other
the conciliatory place is the absolute
can’t give you a formula how much energy it takes to do that
gestalts, whole philosophies
never completely rise above the process observer
pure mind realization of awareness
awareness of awareness
see these things happening
brings you to an absolute point of realization
05:00
Now I’d like to talk to you
if no questions, might as well all get a can of pop
poets who have written poetry who would inspire a person to look inside himself Omar Khayyam
the same door wherein I went
turned down an empty glass
drink your wine and what’s left is an empty glass; because it doesn’t matter
I don’t believe that all art is aimed in that direct
some art is an outburst of the ego
08:30
unless you know who’s enjoying
the human race has a paradigm
color green
the whole vision of live is a paradigm
Congressman looks dignified, draws respect
I don’t buy pleasure or pain
by the same toke that this is a head trip
half-Indian woman from West Virginia
romance the love affair is projected in
had not by the other person, but by nature
energy
province of the young, that there is something as pleasure or happiness
if not a lecher
rapture about this thing called life
12:00
I think that the human computer, the the capacity for solving a lot more than what he solves
refuse to feed the computer with
dozens to hundred problems at once
don’t forget to take the garbage out
shut yourself down
when you try to do it all hell breaks loose
the mind would cook these up rapidly
the number of transistors we’ve got in there will solve more
all the data is in there
get tangled up in logical thinking
forget about it
14:30
When I did my thinking was long before they discovered the alpha and beta waves
drugs – paralyzing the other centers
nothing comes out of it
LSD caused them to look into esoteric philosophy
like letting the water out f the balloon
16:00
I try to simplify
Ramana Maharshi
knowledge of the absolute
Our heads work just as well with English words
What is seeing? The process observer
in conflict with the intuitive mind
if you’re hungry you think of an apple
somatic mind might belabor itself with syllogisms
the view is not the view
the body is not us
cut your toes off, fingers off
paralyzed from the neck down
sometimes the head is out but the body is still working
watch yourself watching, so to speak
that is meditation
if you want to know yourself, watch ourself
traumatic meditation
20:00
don’t try to relive it
and maybe you’re getting your nose punched
perspective without the heat
then you can work your way up
yesterday you pulled the same thing
start to change
if you see the evidence, you have to change
now we’re observing the change
we’re watching a process. process observer
aware of the processes of the intuitive mind
in religion sometimes they call it a conscience
step to the left or the right
motive, then you’ve colored the discovery
the whole motive is to find out
curiosity about the self
Q. [Strong Aussie accent] how can you rationalize
23:50
R. You’re a little difficult to understand
each man is a ray
each ray observes
capacity limitation
by some accident it becomes aware of its source
I don’t know why God is, or the absolute is.
It’s just its structure
Q. Do you have to have a set of symbols?
R. No
sounds like a co game coming up
I was 32 and I was 10 years taking notes
between the electrons, between the raindrops
all you have to do is go inside yourself, and the hell with what I say
if you put enough energy into it you’ll get results
maybe I can say something
don’t believe in umbrella-type systems
everybody has different factors
John of the Cross that’s a darn good book
28: You don’t even reach it you won’t know until you’ve passed it can’t use it to look up ahead
everybody comes in from a different angle my response will somehow kick a trigger
I would suggest you get that paper
traumatic meditation
you had been rebuffed
most of your traumas have to do with running up against your fellowman, don’t have much to do with your essence
File 3
This is the individual saying, “I’m going to dominate this picture show.”
Get some of the barnacles out of the mechanism
John Lilly.
I’ve been a little suspicious unless they had a union card.
Father in law had two voices. One of them told him to jump off the hill, the other told him not to listen to the first one.
When you set your mind to do this thing you’ll get help.
Guardian Angel.
paradoxical
the paradoxes have to be there I order to complete your thinking..
But along the road it seems like you definitely have a shield
but I wouldn’t depend on it
you don’t have any ax to grind.
so if we don’t exert our spiritual force
fellow in Canana
Rolfe Alexander, student of Gurdjieff, devised a system of realization through self-hypnosis
You may hypnotize yourself into a ceratin state of mind
former Krishnite, said when they danced marble god moved
each religion has hysteria
get into a certain auto-hypnotic state
something may fire back from a book you read.
Q. your last lecture was on Moods [check dates]
R. … ou don’t like with a monkey wrench and loosen aor tighten
everything governed by moods
patriotic concept, martial music, waving flag
the television is a tremendous colorer oif meeds
the mood is a false state of mind
louse up our life for years
by a mood I mean a state of mind that carries a convictoyion with it
Q. [Paul Mahler] … what is the best way to cut these off?
R establish a priority, family first
sit down and calmly meditate
recognizes it as an invasion “Hey, I could get all wrapped up in that.” All of that stuff you can face it
you may have to list your priorities those things have to be decided prior
you can do whatever you wish, as long as it doesn’t interfere
have to go to college, he was a master chess player too. he played chess and he went to college
Q. Sleeping and dreams used on spiritual
R. I advise people to write them
Q. Is the process observer part of the ray of creation?
R. [refers to chart] the unmanifested mind is the awareness
it’s the final consciousness, excluding the final that line is awareness of consciousness and consciousness of awareness
this may not mean a thing to you unless you’ve made the trip
it’s what you identify as you
after you get up here it’s just part of the scenery.
Q. pleasure was illusion - control
R. illusion is that this final solution comes with pleasure, beauty
in the feeling of cosmic consciousness ecstasy and beauty Richard Bucke, St. John of the Cross pure is-ness, no right nor less Zen literature no-mind the mind stops on dead center but you can’t stop it on dead center. It will stop there.
Q. experiments took taste and smell away from th person
R. Lilly/ might cause the mind to stop
talking to girl who was pretty burned She said, “You only get into acid what you put into it.”
get into it without inhibiting their lechery.
Q, if his mind accidentally stop any person?
R. No
File 4
drawing the bow back. There has to be an extreme amount of tension
no great spiritual revelation
Q. What do you ave to say about reincarnation
R. avoid it rationalization and procrastination
this is the only one we can really have I don’t want any more
if you can get out of this rat race, that’s getting out of prison Plato it was a question of my egotistical idea of justice now all of the sudden the responsibility is thrown on him that guild is imposed. It isn’t real I can’t see this idea of paying debts life after life after life
eat, drink and be merry too late fish catches the fisherman Q. struggles at the tie of death
he may have a realization no longer has the egos of youth he dies with his mouth open but nothing comes out
people will compile the data catalog the instances fall into distinct categories October 1974 I died at 10:52 he described his experience grids and vistas he doesn’t say what he did in his lifetime four levels of man Gurdjieff
ambition, excitement, power things went black and they stayed black until I woke up don’t seem to have recollections when they wake up
they see the mother the father never shows up
intellectual doesn’t see any people witnesses vistas or scenery, endless exploration or adventure
minute 10
the intellectual people have an idea of and endless paradise
philosophical people become one with it
saw a materialization up here in Delaware [OH]
say, “Well we have heard that He’s here.”
“We have seen His light.”
time is it, after 9?
Yes, I corresponded with xx years ago
Vedanta
Hollywood Blvd.
names a guru
Their avatar was Ramakrishna.
Krishnamurti
too much and no foundation
still living? no?
friend of Aldous Huxley.
in those days, that’s whe the new cults were
spent some time Oceanside
three forms of Rosicrucians, AMORC, Max Heindel, and up here in Pennsylvania
Q. [Paul Mahler] Any difference in the cults of today vs 1950s.
R. degenerated into expert business machines
people realize it.
person had to be half crocked on dope before they were snowed.
Thomas Merton
Bucke bring out
base of the pyramid supported by a base of ignorance
it’s only as you approach the top that you find active people
I think were returning to that
the door is closed
dope opened the door but also killed them, destroyed their mind
say, “Wow,” and forget it in a half hour
min 20
Q. period of 10 or 12 years
R. There’s no where o go
Q changed you
R. No realize what I already was
I’m the same bastard that I was before
I can’t get interested in the things other people are
my basic personality is pretty much the same
Q. values?
R. oh yes. Because nothing matters
Q. only once
‘R.you can reexperience it. it’s death and nobody wants to die
my mind had just stopped
something inside you puts up a fight.
“So what?”
Seattle Cascade
saw the people in the streets
Q. observer
R. account in the book
what we have is a dichotomy in ourselves
Cascades
my hotel window faced on them
could see all of humanity
endless hoards of people climbing
refers to diagram
I was the fellow who was watching the show
I was watching the creation
became aware of all-ness and nothingness simultaneously
produces a realization that takes you into your real self
Q. existentialism, Sartre
doesn’t matter to me
Q. other religious system
R. seize the podium
I do not argue.
realize new values in the Catholic Church after I left it
people on different levels, maybe just a different door
I’m not talking about religious politics
like the old farmer said, there are many [paths to the top of the hill]
side sh4 ends at 28:17
